Let’s talk Choi Young-do

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Female writers who are bad at writing female characters and good at writing fantasy male ones: Kim Eun-sook.

Sexist fantasy: Choi Young-do.

Eight episodes in, the response to Kim Woobin’s Choi Young-do boils down to this: He’s so terrible … BUT I can’t help it. /whimper

I’m reading comments online across a bunch of forums to get the usual international viewer response and that’s how it can be summarized. The character discussions, if I had to guesstimate, skew heavier on the Choi Young-do side now and not as much for Kim Tan or Cha Eun-sang. Maybe four episodes into the drama’s premiere, things were more centered around Kim Tan, but discussion now has definitely shifted over to Choi Young-do.

Choi Young-do is the ultimate sexist female fantasy. His character is generating feverish discussion because of two additional factors: Kim Woobin is stealing Lee Minho’s thunder by killing it with the charisma, and he’s also second lead, which means by virtue of K-drama law, he won’t get the girl, which gets fangirls feeling extra sympathetic. The bad boy archetype is already a strong one, but once you brandish him into second lead territory, Second Lead Syndrome becomes a plague. Lee Minho who?

I can’t remember the last time I saw a second lead (or even first lead) who so strongly exhibited all the traits you kind of roll your eyes at: huge bully, has some serious daddy issues, is popular, is good-looking and tall, but sometimes gets lonely and has no one to share that with, and then gets shocked out of his mind when a girl comes and challenges his authority, becomes so distraught that there’s someone so earnest and pure that he can’t help but fall in love and want to change and become a better person.

There is still something about these traits in a male character that viewers really, really love, they can’t help it. People call Choi Young-do-esque characters a guilty pleasure, like they’ll just enjoy these people as a temporary respite from all the other respectable characters they’ll go back to liking later. But if the characters are repeatedly guilty pleasures for everyone, doesn’t that just mean it’s still a fantasy that’s very much embedded into how we consume pop, and not that much a deviant at all, but a default?

Characters like Choi Young-do are sexist, because they’re horrible people, but we think the magic fix is love, and the impetus is really on the female to do the fixing. That the males can continue to be terrible, but as long as it’s being driven by a desire to win over a female, it’s okay. Or, that he’s shitty to the girl, but it’s only because he’s interested. I think that one bothers me most: that a boy’s attention is so precious and reaffirming that it overrides all other things about his character.

Nobody has said any of that outright, but here’s a sampling of comments from the nets:

young do is seriously an asshole. i don’t see any redemption from him :/ but i still love his character…..fml

I feel bad about the relationship between Eun Sang and Young Do ㅠㅠ Young Do is finally liking Eun Sang for real… I hope even if they don’t end up together later, Eun Sang is able to change Young Do for the better…

I don’t get it, why are you guys hating Young Do, saying he’s an asshole and getting worse

Well, yes he is an asshole. But this asshole is about to falling in love.

And a fallen in love asshole is aways cute.

Because he becomes more human
Because he’s feeling something
Because it bothers him but he can’t help it
Because he’s so helpless when he sees the girl he likes is close to some other guy
Because he’s gonna try to get the girl in his own way, rough yet swooning
Because he’ll be a better person

I raise my hope on you, Young Do
I believe in you.

Choi Young Do is making me crazy. I am supposed to hate his character, right? Nope, not possible. His pshychotic behaviours are so fucking sexy.

the emotion i feel whenever choi young do shows up on screen is a mixture of extreme terror and arousal thank you kdrama writers and woo bin for making me question my psychological health thanks a lot

Choi Young Do is so good at playing with hearts ㅠㅠㅠ Cute but also a bad guy ㅋㅋㅋ

Choi Young-do is probably a much tamer iteration of reforming bad boy who changes because of love. There are other more extreme examples, but the point is, people are way more forgiving of male indecency and maliciousness, as long as it’s cloaked by romantic or sexual interest of a female.

And Kim Eun-sook writes a lot of these abrasive, not-easily-impressed males whose worlds are changed because of that One Girl, so Choi Young-do isn’t a one-off or a lapse in judgment. Kim Eun-sook is a pretty sexist writer. She doesn’t lavish nearly as much attention on her female leads as she does the male ones to either give them backstories or develop them. They’re bland Mary Sues from the first episode to the last. Her supporting female casts are always of the cunning, mean-spirited variety. Her world is one where girls aren’t friends with other girls. They compete and they tear each other down.

Her world is one where boys are possessive, aggressive, and vaguely rape-y in the you-said-no-but-you-really-mean-yes way (but that’s okay because it’s all done in the name of love). They’re demanding at best, violent at worst. At best, they crash cars to get you to stop talking to another man. At worst, they make you get on your knees to show you your place.

You can say that these problems in character development aren’t unique to Kim Eun-sook, and that they’re symptomatic of larger gender issues in Korea, in the world, whatever. But within Korea, Kim Eun-sook is hugely successful, and her success is a reflection of creating a product that appeals to the mainstream audience, which means that her work deserves analysis and criticism. And like I said with the Hong Sisters, Kim Eun-sook is prolific enough and her problems repetitive enough that it’s fair to assign blame to Kim Eun-sook for constantly neglecting their female characters.

And part of it is just my frustration that Kim Eun-sook is a hugely successful female screenwriter. Why are her male characters always treating her female ones so badly? Why doesn’t she see that they’re treating them so badly? Why does she write those problems in a romantic light? Why don’t her female characters have more agency? Why don’t they actually DO STUFF to attain what they want, instead of waiting for a man to do it for her?

I’ve always found the “minorities should be more sensitive to oppression” argument to be a little unfair because it’s placing a burden on the already oppressed when they are almost always never the root of the problem, but to see minorities perpetuate a problem the hegemony has imposed on them just makes me really angry at my fellow brethren.

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Also making me really angry is Kim Woobin’s hair. That plastic encasing of an over-exaggerated cowlick. FUCKIN WASH YOUR HAIR SOMETIME AND JUST LET IT AIRDRY AND DON’T DO OR ADD ANYTHING TO IT.

So many things to be angry about these days.

  • Reader

    Oh man, this is such a good read.. I rolled my eyes several times when I was reading through the comments that sided with Young Do’s character. Treating other people like shit is not sexy at all… I admit I used to think that forced kisses and dragging girls by the wrist was “oh-so-romantic” but not anymore. It’s annoying and its frustrating that female characters are written to let guys be dominant.
    The fact that shit like this is being written and portrayed in dramas/books just encourages men to think that its okay to assert their dominance and it is teaching women that this is “love.”

    • AAA

      I loved Kim Ton ‘s mother.she was soooo nice!
      and choi yung do.the bad guy who will not get the girl.I acctually didn’t like the 5 last episodes.lee min hoo ,honestly,doesn’t know how to play.on the contrary of kim woo bin.Eun sang didn’t acctually care about young do.poor young do.I somehow agree with other commenters that they(kim tan and eun sang) were rediculous couples.I wanted to kill both of them when in that girl’s party when they were in and young do was out and bothered.

  • http://astromantic.net/ astromantic

    The third comment was hugely alarming to read. I was debating whether I wanted to hate watch Heirs or hate watch Secret, but now I’m really reconsidering (I don’t think Secret’ll be that much better, either). I think I’d be unconsciously trying to unpack everything ever, lol

    And a writer like Kim Eun-Sook definitely has the power to flip the script, but as long as viewers stay receptive and loving of these awful archetypes, we’re going to see more of Choi Young-do, and it’s a shame. I mean, why change something that works, right?

    • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

      Oh god, don’t watch Secret. Secret is actually so blatantly and alarmingly misogynistic that I had to stop watching it.

      • http://astromantic.net/ astromantic

        :/ :/ :/ thank you for saving me from THAT trainwreck

      • betty_hat

        Could you elaborate this? I am seriously curious:) i haven’t watched secret (yet?) and I dont want to be disappointed yet again after Heirs…

  • Danna

    I hate this character, I can never like bullies no matter how sexy they are…Kim Eun Sook would have to do something pretty huge to turn this around for me..And I don’t see that happening..To me Kim Woo Bin can and has done better in terms of acting too…I never saw School but he was pretty good in White Christmas, even better than Sung Joon (imo)….but yes, he does have a ton of charisma, douchey character and all…not to mention the chemistry he has with like every character is wayy better than the chemistry of our lead couple….I don’t know what it is but every female lead that Kim Eun Sook ever writes always seems to have a very dead personality whereas her males leads may be hotter but douchey (in terms of Tan)..so its refreshing to see that’s not the case here, and LMH is doing decent too…Usually he’s very hit and miss for me…Overall this show just has a lot interesting things happening but they’re all very superficial and there just isn’t a very good plot, whereas at least Gentleman’s Dignity had amusing things happening despite the lack of a coherent story

  • azurduyy

    THANK YOU. I’m amazed by the mental gymnastics some people do to defend this character. He has daddy issues? So friggin’ what? Deal with it, don’t be an abusive, terrorist jerk. Young-do is terrible beyond redemption, I hate him so much. He’s literally forced a guy out of school, he’s violent, creepy, uses his power and influence to mistreat everyone below him (which is the vast majority), and people say he has chemistry and is zomg so hot with Eun-sang? OMG, she looks terrified when she’s by his side, and wants to literally run away. Why would his sick fascination with a poor girl change his fucktittude? Why are people defending this alterna-ship?

    Kim Tan is no role model either. He’s a stalkerish “Nice Guy” who’s forcing himself on her all the time, and whining when she’s clearly upset by his unwanted attention (which is literally bringing her into harm’s way). Some people defend him saying that “boys will be boys” or that she should be flattered what an ungrateful bitch O_o. His case is even more bewildering at times, because his abusive/possessive behaviour is shown in a romantic light, with accompanying music, stolen glances, and long dreamy takes. It’s bizarre, and I shudder thinking about these delusional fangirls in real life.

    And the classism here is hilarious. Poor people are fascinating creatures, like giraffes in their habitat let’s go for a trip to their quirky jobs and see how they manage to live on a basic wage. OoOoOoooH look at them eating ramyun non-ironically and drinking tap water! How interesting and picturesque! Suddenly, what is that? My heart beating? For a commoner? It must be love, they’ve bewitched me with their thrift shop clothes, and the never ending energy they use to work instead of going around beating people up. Let’s abuse them some more.

    • bigmamat

      Good post but are you talking about The Heirs or every Korean drama? Didn’t LMH already star in one of the most weird and unapologetic misogynistic dramas ever produced? Boys Over Flowers and my love for my torturer, talk about a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

      • azurduyy

        Yes, that’s true. That’s also why Boys Over Flowers sucks (amongst other things). I didn’t say a thing about it, you brought it into the conversation. I don’t really know how over-generalizing problematic aspects of some korean dramas help your plea, but be my guest if you want to continue doing so.

        If all the korean dramas you’ve watched are misogynistic pieces of crap, then you might consider choosing your dramas better. There are plenty out there that feature really cool male AND female leads. Don’t project your love for abusive male leads into all things korean.

        • bigmamat

          I’ve been trying to think of dramas that don’t have a lot of sexist memes and there are a few. I don’t watch dramas with a very critical eye. Korean tv is so vastly different from korean movies it’s amazing. I prefer movies. But when it comes to dramas I think I actually like the sappy, occasionally sexist, formulaic to the more thoughtful kind. For me that’s what makes them unique. I can watch so many slickly produced realism type programs all day long in english. American and British TV is full of the stuff I’m already used to watching. I started watching kdrama because it was different. Even though it’s often predictable, sometimes infuriatingly sexist, and mostly just plain silly, it’s entertaining.

          Don’t even try to dress me down for the fact that Kdramas are sexist. Anyone not korean can tell right away that most of them are, is this my fault, or my problem for that matter? No, it’s not, Sure this drama and Secret are really pretty creepy but this isn’t the first time I’ve seen creepy. It’s a fact of life for women, everywhere. So what are we trying to accomplish here? Are we trying to tell other women on the net that they shouldn’t be watching this drama? Or are we just saying we shouldn’t be drawn in by this despicable character but the overall show is fine? The whole show is a mess. But I’m still going to watch it since I’ve already invested hours in it, and Young do is the only interesting character on the show right now. He’s a sociopath and in the west we love stories with crazy people in them.

          • azurduyy

            Hey, I’m not here to dictate what you should or shouldn’t watch, it’s
            your choice and I’m happy for you if you have a great time watching the
            kind of shows you describe, so there’s that.

            What I found terribly
            problematic and hypocritical is that you put all things korean in a neat
            little box that says “sexism” and affirm that “that’s how Korean
            culture works”. You literally said “Mainly because Koreans have no idea
            about women’s rights, at least the average Korean doesn’t.”, and I was
            like, woah hold your horses, what is happening here?? And then you say
            “Anyone not korean can tell right away that most of them are [sexist]”.
            What??? Are Korean people brainless cromagnon zombies that cannot
            understand how sexism works or recognize it in dramas? Give me a break,
            sexism is global, not restricted to Korea (have you ever really watched some of
            the most popular, highly rated sitcoms and/or dramas in USA?).

            I also didn’t say that this was the only sexist
            drama ever in existence that’s sexist, of course there’s lots of bad,
            horrible dramas with lameass female leads which are terribly popular.
            There are also amazing female leads who feel like people and not weepy
            plot devices at the mercy of the men they love. The show is terrible in
            every possible way, but we’re focusing on gender and class, so I won’t
            start talking about the sloppy editing or the harrowing music.

            Finally:
            “He’s a sociopath and in the west we love stories with crazy people in
            them.” No, just… no. Let’s stop the generalizations, YOU like crazy
            people, probably a bunch of people more, but not “in the west”.
            Moreover, one thing is crazy people punished by the show they are in, who get thought out premises and backstories,
            and the other is romanticizing violent treatment towards women – that’s
            something I won’t, ever, condone. Young-do is interesting not because his character is likeable or redeemable, but because Kim Woo-bin oozes charisma in a sea of grey actors with negative screen presence.

            Women will watch what they want and I
            won’t stop anyone from their right to choose a drama to follow. In the
            same vein, I have the freedom to express sadness at the adoration my
            sisters feel for jerkish terrorists that actively abuse a girl for their
            personal amusement. And anger for the writer (female, no less!) who
            brought these characters to life.

            • bigmamat

              Well what I meant by “we like stories about crazy people” is the huge popularity of slasher films, zombies and generally crazy people, like the long running show Dexter on Showtime. As for Koreans and women’s rights well I’m not going to argue with you about that since all the evidence I see is that South Korea is nowhere near the west in it’s progress toward women’s rights. There is plenty of information on the internet to back up my statements. I believe in my original post I attributed Young do’s appeal to Kim Woo bin and not the character of Young do. Although I don’t think it’s out the realm of possibility that women might be attracted and repulsed by his character at the same time. That’s why people love scary stories and scary movies, the excitement of danger and surprise. I remember reading that women are the biggest consumers of horror movies. The classic vampire story is about a woman in love with a killer. Since I’ve begun watching Korean dramas I can no longer count the wrist drags, forced smooches, and other signals like “taking responsibility” that show these things are accepted as just fine with the Korean viewing public. That’s why I said that the cultural attitudes of SK are reflected in their entertainment. I realize not all Koreans feel this way. I know there are Korean feminists who are working hard to change the culture. Just right now it isn’t as visible in their entertainment.

  • bigmamat

    Really? Seriously? You watch Korean dramas and you’re going to complain about the sexist shit about women? Really? Sure there is the odd drama or two that has a strong woman lead that doesn’t put up with sexist bullshit from the men around her. Funny though how those dramas end up sending the same message by turning the male lead into a whimp. I’m a little curious why anyone that is offended by misogynistic behavior would watch a kdrama at all. I haven’t seen one yet that isn’t sexist by design or even by accident. Mainly because Koreans have no idea about women’s rights, at least the average Korean doesn’t. And surely people in the entertainment industry are in a better position to understand women’s rights better than the average korean because they are often exposed to other cultures through their work. However, when it comes time to make a tv drama that all goes out the window because they know what sells to the average korean in entertainment. What sells is the illusion that people can break the rigid and oppressive status system based on age, money and gender. It’s all a bullshit lie to make Koreans feel better about their competitive and deeply oppressive society. Koreans must know in real life the rich person doesn’t fall for the plucky hard working poor shlub. Hell in normal society Korean or otherwise rich people only come into contact with poor people when they empty their trash or serve them their food. I have yet to see a Korean drama that was not about their stifling class system or didn’t display their disdain for anything female.

    So if you don’t like to see women hauled around by their wrists, held down while they are kissed, stalked, slapped, talked down to, and just disrespected and despised in general, stay away from Korean dramas. As for Young do, right now, he’s the only interesting character in the show. And Kim Woo bin is tearing up the scenery with his portrayal of him. He’s the only reason I’m still watching this drama because he’s been so good at being bad. He’s the devil himself in a suit. Kim Tan on the other hand is a hero in pink lipstick. What’s up with that?

    • Amy

      Oh god, not you and your unproductive, overly generalized critiques about “Korean culture.” Go away.

      • bigmamat

        Really? So you expect the entertainment of Korea to reflect something different than the society? Ok so then what are we critiquing here then, The Heirs or people’s reaction to the drama? Ok let’s try this, Lee Min ho is so fricking good looking he doesn’t really have to do anything for me except stand around and stare. He could lose the pink lipstick and the ugly sweaters but otherwise he’s one of my favorite Korean actors that can’t act. Because he’s so damned pretty. Kim Woo bin, I didn’t get. I don’t find him handsome at all other than the fact that he’s tall and looks good in his clothes. So I don’t really see what all the fuss was about until now. You also have to realize that a lot of the reaction is because Woo bin is “in style” right now with the Korean fan girl public. He and his butt buddy, Lee Jong suk. Another hot korean star that really isn’t all that appealing to me in the looks department. But he did turn in a very appealing performance as the love sick puppy in Can You Hear My Voice. I think what you might be seeing as acceptance of overboard anti-feminism is nothing more than gut reaction to Woo bins personal appeal. He’s just doing such a good job at being the bad guy. And then again there is always the girl loves bad guy syndrome which isn’t isolated to Korean women, it’s a regular theme in western culture too. Women just can’t help but like the challenge of a fixer upper guy.

        As for the hair, I too noticed the plastic Halloween Elvis wig hairdo. One of my pet peeves in Kdrama is the ugly clothes and the bad hair. Did they have to make So Ji Sub look like a Yeti for Master’s Sun? Is it central to the story that Yoon Eun hye looks like a 50 year old hausfrau in Mirae’s Choice? My personal favorite right now is the Miley Cyrus do that Ju Ji hoon is sporting for Medical Top Team. What a way to make a guy look like an idiot. Would you let someone with that hair cut operate on you? Let’s not even talk about how sloppy most women look in Korean dramas. The female lead almost always looks either childish or frumpy, that is until they get their man then they “blossom”. I’ve never seen such ugly shapeless outfits until I started watching Korean drama.

    • azurduyy

      “So if you don’t like to see women hauled around by their wrists, held
      down while they are kissed, stalked, slapped, talked down to, and just
      disrespected and despised in general, stay away from Korean dramas.”

      O_o Are you saying that you _like_ that kind of thing? That’s kind of… alarming.

  • betty_hat

    Seriously to me Tan in his ‘nice guy’ disguise might be even worse…. he has a history of bullying himself, he thinks it’s alright to stand aside and watch, he doesn’t show that he’s sorry for his bully past and for gods sake he is a freaking stalker and does not consider Eunsang’s feelings at all….
    Also Eunsangs character just outright pisses me off I can’t anymore with her crying all the time… I remember the glorious moment of Eunsang grabbing Tan’s wrist in the States… boy did those episodes mislead me into thinking she might end up as a strong character. Her attraction towards the main leads reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome to be honest…if she ends up with either one of them I am will…. nah I probably won’t even know because I dont think I can stick around much longer (the only reason I do are the actors who do more than a decent job with what they are given)… maybe I’ll get updated by my ma and sis…

    I began watching Marry him if you dare yesterday and watched three episodes in one go… if it keeps getting better then i might have found the crack drama I was looking for…

    • sparkle_me

      The kid that was being bully mentioned the same thing. At least Young Do remembers. Kim Tan is a fake who will eventually hurt Eun Sang for the sake of keep up apperances.

  • bigmamat

    So episode 9, the two testosterone sacks are finally directing their aggression where it belongs, at each other. Thank goodness for poor Eun sang otherwise they might eat her. Pace picked up this episode. Kim Tan’s mom is great.

  • almost_asian

    There’s something absolutely superficial about Young Do’s sexism, there is a subtle hint at him respecting people for who they are and not bothering about what others think. Myungsoo mentions that Young Do never bothered girls, then why Eunsang? Additionally, why Rachel? For him, both Rachel and Eun Sang are the same because one doesn’t give a rat’s ass about others troubles and the other cannot afford to. Its obvious that Young Do is easily amused by the dynamics between people rather than the poeple themselves. And perhaps that’s why he’s doing what he’s doing with Eunsang, he’s testing how far their relationship can go. It’s a connection he has never experienced before.
    Kim Tan seems more scary to me, threatening the girl to like him or leave the house, not letting her be. At least Young Do gives Eun Sang space, we need to remember the only time he’s creeping up on her is when its related to his first and foremost question : What is her relationship with Kim Tan, the man he hates the most? Young Do feels betrayed by Tan, who is a) faking his parentage and gaining respect, b) actually has a mother while he himself has none. His father bullies the fuck out of him and as if its not enough, even the one almost ‘familial’ female he respects (Rachel) will eventually be more intimate with Tan. Its easy to misunderstand Young Do’s inability to place his feelings at the right spot and absolutely ignore the fact that Tan is more conscious of his choices than his counterpart.
    I like the fact that this time the second lead is the ‘asshole’ because more often than not, people choose characters like Kim Tan in real life and forego the Young Dos. Because all the Choi Young Dos in the world are the ‘bad boys’ that are satisfactory in theory but intimidating in practice. We make them monsters and still take their names and recite their stories to fascinate others, which makes us no better. I am a hardcore feminist and sometimes the most difficult thing to do is to take apart the characters that seem sexist and see them in the light of their individual tribulations instead of a larger system. Young Do is who he is because of circumstances which obviously, I agree, do not compensate. But I don’t understand why everyone’s hating on him and forgiving Tan. Honest to fucking god, i’d rather be with a man who doesn’t mind showing his crazy to the world instead of someone who pretends to be last sane man among the crazies. Just because Tan is the ‘bastard’ who has to call another woman his mother, doesn’t mean he has the most tragic story in the house. At least Young Do is more humble about his issues, though in not such an appealing manner.

  • Artemis

    I actually like Young Do’s hairstyle. For once I can see a Korean drama actor face. Honestly everyone else’s cliched styles annoys me. I also like his character more than the two leads. He displays intelligence, wit and is decisive as opposed to Mary Sue Eun Sang and self centered wanna be a tragic hero Tan. I didn’t like the part where he bullied the student(s). But the script writer should understand the difference between a gentleman and misogynist. She should make the female lead more spunky. All of them should forget their unhappy situation and keep moving forward.
    All happy families are alike;each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way – Tolstoy

  • Jas

    I have been contemplating my fascination with young-do for a while, now. If I met him in real life, I know I would knock the lights out of him. I think, for me, there’s a lot of reasons why he’s still my favorite though. The first thing is he has many layers, and keeps you guessing and intrigued. In real life, I’m not one to chase ‘bad boys,’ because quite frankly I dont have time for them. Good guys – yes. By good guys I mean someone who respects everything and everyone, overall friendly dudes. I have a habit of falling for them ^^.The problem with good guys in TV and movies for me is this though: there is no conflict. If two characters simply like each other, its incredibly boring. For me, LMH pining after ES is soooo dead boring, i dont even find their scenes cute cause there wasn’t even time to develop a relationship starting at the iceberg; they started when they already knew each others secrets. Also, Kim Tan ticks me off because HES ENGAGED and is going off with another girl. HELLOOO do you not realize this other girl is like obsessed with you, and you would be ruining her chance at a happy life too if she got married to you? The comments I have read seem to ignore this. Its kind of a big deal. I dont care if its a genuine marriage or not, in real life I would have none of it.

    And ES has no damn backbone, and also has no fear of his fiance. Which makes me dislike her a bit as well. It’s okay to be aloof and “innocent,” but you need to think about the consequences of your actions. And if you dont like things that kim tan is doing, kick him in the balls and run. same goes for if young-do is bothering you.

    Thus, my fav is young-do. He may be the biggest jerk, but at least he’s got half a brain. Also, I’m sure we’ll get to see development with him which is the best part. I also love lee bona, lee hyo-shin, chan young, jo myung soo. They’re much more amusing, and I’m excited to learn more about them ^^

  • Martine Little

    I think we’re a bit exaggerating here. I agree on the fact that mostly of the female leads in k-drama have no backbone ( and i think this must be changed even if the rest remains the same), but i don’t think the writers are trying to do sexism or whatever.

    We all know that when a closed person opens to us is one of the beautiful things in the world. Think of a child, with a trauma, that breaks everything around him, and then, with a person that can make him feel the love, he opens up and goes on from his trauma. I think it’s just that, no sexism. Then men are like children? So they’re doing sexism to men too?

    Women have the motherly personality, that’s why to them it’s simpler to understand people with problems. Because if you see, women in k-dramas are understanding of others’s problems too, not only about their man. Most of them starts with women loving a quiet good boy, then the bad boy starts to change for them. We can’t deny, we women ( and men) , are animals. We’re human yes, but we’re animals too. In nature courting is a conquest! We must accept that we like to conquer things. Person with problems can be a difficult conquest, so is appealing for the conqueror. The same is for men (because all the female leads have maaaany problems) and the same for the women. I think men and women are on the same level : the man who is crazy about her, not having her, not knowing what to do to court her, and the woman, that first hate him, then trying to understand him, then make him jealous, then leaving him. I don’t see any sexism. And I like the idea of the “psychologist girl” able to understand people and help them overcome their problems. I think woman is seen in a very important way. I think there are many clichés, but not only in Korea, but all over the world. As for Young Do, i agree with everyone else saying Kim Woo Bin is doing a very great job! :)
    Least but not last, i saw someone saying that they hadn’t watched Secret (for the sexism!?) …. Please watch it. It’s indeed on this argument! The woman with no backbone for love, then changes and takes the reins of her life, no more understanding, no more sacrifices. Watch it!

  • Mary11

    I think we’re a bit exagerating here. I agree on the fact that mostly of the female leads in k-drama have no backbone ( and i think this must be changed even if the rest remains the same), but i don’t think the writers are trying to do sexism or whatever.

    We all know that when a closed person opens to us is one of the beautiful things in the world. Think of a child, with a trauma, that breaks everything around him, and then, with a person that can make him feel the love, he opens up and goes on from his trauma. I think it’s just that, no sexism. Then men are like childs? So they’re doing sexism to men too?

    Women have the motherly personality, that’s why to them it’s simpler to understand people with problems. Because if you see, women in k-dramas are understanding of others’s problems too, not only about their man. Most of them starts with women loving a quiet good boy, then the bad boy starts to change for them. We can’t deny, we women ( and men) , are animals. We’re human yes, but we’re animals too. In nature courting is a conquest! We must accept that we like to conquer things. Person with problems can be a difficult conquest, so is appealing for the conqueror. The same is for men (because all the female leads have maaaany problems) and the same for the women. I think men and women are on the same level : the man who is crazy about her, not having her, not knowing what to do to court her, and the woman, that first hate him, then trying to understand him, then make him jealous, then leaving him. I don’t see any sexism. And I like the idea of the “psychologist girl” able to understand people and help them overcome their problems. I think woman is seen in a very important way. I think there are many clichés, but not only in Korea, but all over the world. As for Young Do, i agree with everyone else saying Kim Woo Bin is doing a very great job! :)
    Least but not last, i saw someone saying that they hadn’t watched Secret (for the sexism!?) …. Please watch it. It’s indeed on this argument! The woman with no backbone for love, then changes and takes the reins of her life, no more understanding, no more sacrifices. Watch it!

  • HJ lee

    I like Kim Woo Bin hairstyle here

  • The Heirs’ Predictable Ending

    — Jerk Young Do’s heart flutters.. —

    Choi Young Do’s character is more of a lead man than just a supporting one in my opinion.

    Honestly, i felt that Kim Tan falling for Eun Sang after hours of knowing her is kind of strange. Kind of fast and pfft… weird. Like for heaven’s sake.Seriously, were there no pretty girls in LA? Or were there no Korean chics in his school? He fell for her that fast. what a crap.
    I thought he just felt that he needed to help Eun Sang because they’re both Korean and all..

    My heart flutters for the developments of Choi Young Do’s character towards Cha Eun Sang. Little by little, we get to know his side and at a good pace, we understand why he falls for her.

    I just can’t bear KIM TAN falling for Eun Sang after days or hours of spending time with her. Too fast and furious. LOL. HAHA!